Ash-Brewster wrote:
Evil-do-er wrote:
Just remove a proff that was never actually in the movies just talked about. Heck it is not a Iconic proff never has been and yet SOE feels it is well id like SOE to show me how this is Iconic when none of them were shown but like i said talked about!
How can being talked about a few times become Iconic. That just dose not make any sense @ all.
It is like talking about Joe Smoe here and saying he is the best at something an yet we do not know that.
o name a few spies in the original 3 movies…
- Garidan
- Momaw Nadon
- Kabe (technically thief, but SWG gave us steal)
- Tanus Spijek
- Pucumir Thryss
- Tamfel Skreej (Lando’s under cover name in Jabbas Palace)
- Labria
- Fozec
- Murttoc Yine
- Velken Tezeri
- Leia (Undercover as an Ubese BH)
- Arleil Schous
Try again.
Iconic:
A cultural icon can be an image, a symbol, a logo, picture, name, face, person, or building or other image that is readily recognized, and generally represents an object or concept with great cultural significance to a wide cultural group.
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You can find information on the above listed Spies at this website. Seems to me they had bigger roles in the expanded universe than they did in the movies. And adding Lando and Leia to the list as it pertains to the argument – the Iconicity of the professions – well, then why not argue for dual-profs again? Leia was obviously 3 profs in one – an Officer, BH, and Spy! And if it’s in the movies…
But we don’t recognize Leia as a Spy, we recognize her as an Officer. We recgonize Luke as a Jedi (even though he was obviously trained in other aspects of the different professions as they appear in the game (now and originaly.))
The content from the game may be from the EU (expanded universe), but we aren’t arguing content – we’re arguing professions. And the question will boil down to whether or not somebody (anybody) can readily recognize a Spy from the movies (without having to copy and paste a list from another website) – and not just a select minority who do it because a video game made it possible to be said obscure profession.
You ask anyone on the street to name a Spy from the movies, and you probably won’t get many correct answers. And how then, by that reasoning, does it make Spy an iconic profession? Fans of the movies, while not being fans of the EU, are also part of the cultural group that makes up the Star Wars fans.
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As to stealth…
Stealth field generators were special types of belts that saw use primarily around the time of the Jedi Civil War and the years following it. Essentially a portable, personal cloaking device, stealth field generators made their users all but invisible at medium and long ranges; however, a clumsy user could be easily detected in close quarters. Also, unless a master of stealth, the user could not maintain the stealth field while running.
Some Mandalorian armor designs, such as those worn by scouts, featured stealth field generators built into them. Examples of this could be found among the warriors who served under Mandalore Canderous Ordo in 3,951 BBY, on their reclaimed base on the Onderonian moon of Dxun. There were also several advanced versions of the stealth field generator; some were enhanced with sound-dampening technology to make them more effective at closer ranges. Actions involving sudden outward movement, such as engaging in combat, left the wearer visible; despite this, using such generators enabled combatants so equipped to engage in devastating sneak attacks.
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Iconically, there was no 100% invisibility used. So why would the prof (that isn’t actually iconic to begin with) be given this ability with 0% recourse? Some of the Spies (in the EU) were able to do it through innate traits – not because of the profession they held. So why should stealth be taken from away from the direction of actually being a technology and into the direction of being some magical thing that happens at the drop of a hat?
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I’ve got no real problem with Spy – yes, the prof itself is a little rediculous, and even some of the Spies (not the FoTM crowd) will admit to this on several key points – but if we’re going to argue over the nature of the profession as it directly relates to the movies and the validity of its iconic status… then I’d have to wonder now what I did when it was introduced – Double-u-tee-eff.